Attorneys are Human Too, a Podcast

Episode 8-Innovative Property Management Solutions

August 14, 2020 Peter Haber Season 1 Episode 8
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Attorneys are Human Too, a Podcast
Episode 8-Innovative Property Management Solutions
Aug 14, 2020 Season 1 Episode 8
Peter Haber

Join Host Steve Wallace and Co-Host Celena Muzic of The Wallace Law Group, PL as their interview property management expert Peter Haber of Third Eye Consulting, LLC.

Topics include:

Understanding Community Association Living
Investment Property Tricks of the Trade
Innovative Property Management Practices
Tips for Working with Your Community Association Manager
Tales from Behind the Property Management Curtain
Property Management War Stories
Insight in the Real Estate Investment Industry
Pop Culture Banter
Lightning Round

Show Notes Transcript

Join Host Steve Wallace and Co-Host Celena Muzic of The Wallace Law Group, PL as their interview property management expert Peter Haber of Third Eye Consulting, LLC.

Topics include:

Understanding Community Association Living
Investment Property Tricks of the Trade
Innovative Property Management Practices
Tips for Working with Your Community Association Manager
Tales from Behind the Property Management Curtain
Property Management War Stories
Insight in the Real Estate Investment Industry
Pop Culture Banter
Lightning Round

Steve Wallace:

Welcome to this episode of attorneys are human too. today's episode is innovative property management solutions featuring Peter Haber, who is the owner of third eye consulting. Welcome Peter.

Peter Haber:

Stephen. Thank you. It's nice to see you and Selena, how are you?

Celena Muzic:

Good. Good, good. So happy you came on.

Steve Wallace:

Can you tell us a little bit about your background, Peter?

Peter Haber:

Yeah, sure. I, grew up in Northern New Jersey. I graduated from Syracuse university. Let's go orange. Let's go. I believe I bleed orange and, actually my background, my family had a home heating oil business back in the day. And when I first got out of college, I started in that industry and it really wasn't for me. well, then I went and got my real estate license, so I was selling real estate. Maybe three months into my real estate career call from a buyer who was looking for an office building. Just by chance. so long, long and short of it is I ended up selling him a two and a half million dollar building. I had no idea what I was doing.

Steve Wallace:

Excellent. That's a nice commission right there.

Peter Haber:

It really is why. So I said, wow, this is the most unbelievable career I'll work. Seven eight, nine months. I'll do a few of these deals a year. Well then reality kicks and the deals were not coming. The $2 million deals were not coming and I was renting $800 a month apartments. And then it was back in the eighties and the real estate bubble popped and it was not working out. So I had to, switch gears. And a friend of mine just by chance had an opportunity at a management company. I had no formal training. I didn't really, but, you know, I, I think, and I don't bear, I try not to bury myself with my mouth. So I'm not one of these people who will just answer something. Just two, a piece. Somebody, if I don't know something, I know how to hold somebody off and get the answer. Yeah. And you know, you surround yourself with a great group of people, you know, you surround yourself with the right. Yeah. As a team and yeah. These are the people, you know, that make you look like, you know what you're doing.

Steve Wallace:

Exactly. You surround yourself with the best, the best.

Peter Haber:

you're right. It's about taking care of your team and surrounding yourself with the best. And, you know, I take very good care of my, my vendors, my contractors, people I work with I'm fierce, I'm fiercely loyal, you know, And, if it ever came, when it comes to money or paying, if a client doesn't pay me for a service, my vendors still get paid, you know, they get paid no matter what, whether it comes out of my pocket. And then I deal with the car client, you know,

Steve Wallace:

but it's yeah, because clients will come and go, but your vendors you're going to be dealing with hopefully for a lifetime. So that, that is always a challenge. Right? So the one thing I noticed is I, we Selene and I were talking before the show and we really liked that name. Third I consulting and Selena's a millennial and she, she really was caught up with that name. So could you tell us how you came up with the third eye consultant?

Peter Haber:

I will. So. What, what happens is, I get called often, many communities, homeowner associations. they are not happy with their management company, so I get cold to me. I know, I know. I know. So there are these factions of communities wherever you live. Doesn't matter what part of the country that. They're not getting on with their managers. And just because they have a property management company doesn't mean your building's functioning correctly. So I get called into pitch and I go before boards that might want to switch. So typically when I know I'm going to pitch a building, I'll go to the building a few days before, and I'll just kind of, I'll let the building know I'm coming and I'll kind of like walk around the common areas and I'll look at the thing. So to answer your question, Steve, what I found is if you're on a condo board, Or you live in a building safer eight, nine, 10, 12 years. And you've had the same management company, I think by nature. Sure. People get blinders and they get tunnel vision. So now I come into the building for the very first time. And not that I'm smarter or better than anybody, but because I'm coming in the first time, I'm probably going to pick up and see things. That you look at every day and don't even realize you have a fresh set of eyes. Okay. So yes. So I'm coming in with a fresh set of eyes, a new perspective. And again, not that I'm better than anybody, but if you're in the same building with the same management company, it becomes redundant and you probably don't see things I'm coming in for the first time. And nine out of 10 times, when I point out to potential. Boards and associations, they will look at each other cause I pick up things they weren't even aware of. So we kind of segwayed from the, a fresh set of eyes, a new perspective, extra set of eyes. And I came up with the third eye consulting.

Celena Muzic:

Excellent millennials. We love, we love funky names. We love the third eye suggestive of like something new and mystical.

Peter Haber:

Yeah. Well, I've had that feedback as well. It's just a real talking point because, I don't know if you want on my website or whatever, but my logo's very cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Celena Muzic:

You know what it is, it gives the perspective of something fresh and something modern, as opposed to, I'm going to throw my, you know, board under the bus here, but opposed to the name next gen I mean, it's like, yeah. Yeah.

Peter Haber:

And the thing with me is, is that I, I. I'm an outside the box kind of thinker, you know, and I'm not a traditional, I don't think traditionally, there's always a resolution to whatever the issue or problem is. It's just how you choose to get to the end result and how you want to go about it. You want to turn it in into a production you can. Or do you want to just get that end result that you're looking for? It depends. Cause I don't. I'm sorry. I don't have the capacity. I can't micro thing. I'm not a micro person. I'm a macro person. Okay. So, so a lot of our listeners are newer investors or investors that are, have, you know, one, two, three, four units. And then they're looking to take the next step staff into getting a larger building.

Steve Wallace:

one of the things that a lot of our listeners aren't aware of is what is the function of a property manager on one hand. And you can go into that. And then also, what is the function of, of a community association manager? Because a lot of our listeners are live on just regular streets and are not part of a. A community association, whereas Selena and I, we in, in South Florida, as you're aware, you lived here for a portion of time. We're, we're basically just cookie cutter gated community. So we're used to that, but a lot of our listeners are not used to that. So if you could just elaborate a little bit,

Celena Muzic:

but also to add to Steven's question, is it also residential and commercial?

Peter Haber:

Okay. good question. So I have a diverse background. Okay. I've done the commercial. I've managed the strip malls. I've done the shopping centers, all over the country to answer your question over the last 10, 15 years, I've now I stayed in the residential game. So it's, there's two types of management and residential there's multifamily, which are rental properties and communities. Whereas a manager, I would be dealing directly with the landlord owner. And then there's the HOA communities, which you guys live in where I deal with the board.

Steve Wallace:

I'm really upset with my board because they just eliminated our cable. I'm fuming now. and not only that they eliminate our cable, but our dues didn't go down. So I'm living.

Peter Haber:

so an answer to your question, Steven, basically the job of a property manager and, there's a lot of disconnect with homeowners sometimes about what a lot of people think that the property manager is a concierge. And it's 24 seven three 65, blah, blah, blah. But really the relationship with in a nature way is property management is managing the common areas of the community. Okay. It's really, typically there's a term. We use a sheet rock walls in. Or the homeowner responsibility and anything outside of that common hallways, the roof, the grounds, the clubhouses, all the common areas are the, are the responsibility of the management company to maintain, also to make sure, you know, I'm one of my biggest things is to, is, Liability issues. You know, a good manager will walk the property once a week, once every 10 days. And you're looking for issues, you're looking for a potential trip hazard

Steve Wallace:

okay. as we, we see newspaper articles, where, a treasurer, embezzles funds, I mean, South Florida, unfortunately it's the worst of the worst. And so we're going to, later on the episode, we're going to trade some war stories back and forth about some crazy. Things that Selena and I've been involved with with clients and hos, and I'm sure you've got some interesting stories for us as well.

Peter Haber:

Steve, I got to tell you, it's so funny. You mentioned that because if you Google HOA is you can Google away. You cannot believe how many, how many corrupt crooked associations are out there. And there's so much of that. If you Google. arrested or, you know, under investigation,

Steve Wallace:

and Miami Dade and Broward County will probably come up and eight out of 10 of those.

Celena Muzic:

Yeah. We don't need to Google. We see it all the time.

Peter Haber:

Right. I will say something. I don't know. I run into that all that much. Okay. Because also what happens is, you know, you have. The financials are pretty much either done by, Sophisticated bookkeepers or accountant or accountants. And, when I manage a community, I always, do a year end audit and an audit is an independent auditor slash CPA who is not affiliated, with the management company. And they do an independent, inspection of the books and records.

Steve Wallace:

That's quite innovative. We don't see that here. I can tell you that usually the association will have an accountant that assist them to prepare the budget, but it's very rare where we hear that unless it's ordered by the Corps.

Peter Haber:

No, you see, that's now as part of my recommendation to a ward. Okay. There were seven there's like certain policies and procedures as a manager, property management company that I feel very strong about. And one of them is. and it's not a court ordered thing and it's very popular up here. that boards, do a year end audits and I see them Steve, and a lot of the bylaws and the master deeds to, As well as declarations. So it's something a lot of times it's required, but I just think it's very healthy to do because there's nothing better than a financially healthy community.

Celena Muzic:

Absolutely. I agree. Stephen knows, pardon me, but, and I go on these rants in the office because I feel like, especially in Florida, there is no, there's no protection for the homeowner. I feel like some of these hos just do whatever they want and there's, there's nothing to protect the homeowner. And maybe it's a new Yorker in me, but I'm quick to protest. I will pick it in front of the president's house for my house.

Steve Wallace:

That's a reason not to be on the board, ladies and gentlemen and all our listeners out there.

Peter Haber:

Well, Steve, listen, as you well know, too, and saline, I want, first of all, Selena, do you have a copy of where you live of your bylaws and master deed? I did. Do you, have you ever read through them or browse OCD and, okay. So you know that a board and a management company, or the policies and procedures of any community or based on your book that the bylaws and the master deed, or like your a community's Bible. Right. You really can't go too rogue. yeah.

Steve Wallace:

Well, it's my fault. I've written a lot of them. So some of the things that boards can do I take responsibility for, so I didn't write your documents though. So the title of this episode is innovative property management solutions. So what sets you apart from other folks in the property management industry? And we want to hear some of these innovative solutions for our listeners.

Peter Haber:

Okay. So anyway, just so you know, again, with my background, I've worked for some of 'em, you know, before I started my own business, about four years ago, I've worked as a regional man manager. I've had a pool folio of many properties and, the one common thing that I noticed, one common denominator that always kind of bothered me is the lack. Of really caring about your client, the client and the customer service. Okay. When I go and pitch a new community, you know what consistently comes up, I can't get my property manager to return a phone call. I can't get him to even respond to my email. I can't, you know, and. It's such a basic it's, it's such a basic thing. And unlike a lot of people who are experts in everything, I'm not, I have a niche and a few things. What I'm good at. I'm very good at. Okay. And like I said earlier to you, I have great people skills and for lack of better terminology, I use it sometimes. Professionally is I'm very good with conflict resolution, putting out fires. That seems like all we do all day, every day is putting out fires. That's what our job is to. Even in the property management industry, nobody typically calls me to say, hi, how are you today? Or, you know, I hope you have a nice day. People call the nature of the businesses, issues and problems. You know, it's for many management. I mean, people there's very little, like, I often wonder where the job satisfaction comes in because you're dealing with a negative kind of it's problems and issues. Yeah. So the four times a year, Oh. And people can get very abrasive and they get really nasty on the phone. And, you know, I always felt that I'm held to a higher standard. So nine and a half out of 10 times, I really do have to bite my lip, but some people are just add a control. And you also wonder when you've been in this business long enough and you deal with some of these people. How'd they get themselves dressed and out of bed without their manager in the morning because some people can't even screw in a light bulb. They sit in the dark for two weeks before they would screw the light bulb. Then that's broken. Yeah, I know. I'm glad that you're bringing that fresh, you know, positive customer service attitude. Anytime we have to deal with, you know, in the office. And again, we deal with the, we don't deal with the positive side.

Celena Muzic:

We deal with someone coming in with a problem with an HOA. And, you know, I tell Steven sometimes I call the HOA just to provide them a solution for the clients or the homeowner and the HOA. And they are so angry and I'm like, I'm giving you the solution. Why are you so upset

Steve Wallace:

in Florida? At least it's a very fee based type of business. And then we add in the association attorneys, which we represent associations, we've been on both sides of it. We've done a few homeowners situations when it comes to like dat or some other kind of out of the box type of issues. But it's a cash machine for the association. And for the association attorneys, especially when there's conflict and oftentimes they want to create conflict versus creates solutions. And I really love your approach to things, which is kind of the opposite of what we deal with on a daily.

Celena Muzic:

Absolutely. I have yet to have an HOA attorney say, okay, you know what, let's resolve this now. It's always delay.

Peter Haber:

Yeah. But you know what, here's the, here's the thing. Okay. I find too. First of all, Steve, in your experience as well, while I'm going to ask you about your experience. I know for me, when I get in front of boards, first of all, boards are typically made up of a very mixed bag of people, but some of them have egos that are just. Out of this world. I've been before boards where they know more about management than may. They know more about legal as it relates to how associations run, then be attorneys, which of course isn't true, but the egos and the know it all walls. It's just amazing. so I find that a lot of times I have to train boards. I have to train the boards. Okay, because I'm not going to take on a property. I don't take any PR. I'm very slow of who I contract with. I don't take every association that has a heartbeat.

Steve Wallace:

One of the best decisions that we do in our office is the vast clients we take are the ones that we so, you know, I, I, I make the, my best decisions are taking, not taking these clients on because in the past we've taken on clients that basically don't like to pay, like to cause problems and. That's really just negative energy that doesn't help us,

Peter Haber:

even to your point. Exactly. In some of the best business decisions I've made are the ones I never took on. Yeah, no, I walk in, I get a vibe, but. I as a management company, I have mine policies and my procedures. And if the, now I understand the board does not work for the management company, the management company, and he works for the board. So when he property manager is only as good as the board that they're working with, I find, so I, if I, I think that the board can work under my. Policies like, I'll give you a for instance. one of my things is if you're going to contract with me, only one board member can speak to me. an email me, I have eight board members going at me, 30 emails, a piece. Four times a day. It doesn't work. We do have board meetings once a month and all that. That's when we can we'll talk. But as far as I need one representative from the board. Okay. And that's their spokesperson doesn't mean I don't communicate with the rest of the board, but just to deliver and receive information. It's one contact person.

Steve Wallace:

Too many cooks spoil the broth

Peter Haber:

can't it's otherwise it's insanity and chaos and everyone's spinning their wheels. I can't do it any other way. If you don't want to work like that, then fine. You can always find a management company, you know? another thing is, They have to be financially solvent. Okay. So when I look at a board's financials prior to me taking them on, if they don't have money for repairs and to capital improvements, it's very difficult to manage a community. I'm not so interested whether people like me or not, but. My name and my credibility or everything. So again, we spoke earlier about, I surround myself with a team, whether it's contractors, attorneys, whatever, and I try to find the best of the best. So I need to know that if they're going to provide a service, my vendors have to get paid. And if there's no money to fix something. So what I'll recommend is either you're going to have to do a temporary, maybe three months assessment to build up some reserve. Or you're going to have to do, raise maintenance or a combination of both cause a board, as a community that has no money. You can't function. Along those lines as a result of COVID, are you seeing a challenge in collection, both on the rent side for your property management clients and on the association side, are you seeing a problem with collecting assessments? So this quarter where people could potentially be out of jobs or things could have been shut down because of the pandemic. Got it. Well, not as much on the atrial way side, but more on the rental communities. as soon as this hit and once people started seeing how the, you know, the severity of this pandemic, I noticed tenants more so than owners. They find an angle and they, once they get how the system works, boy, they can really work you over. But you know, you gotta be two steps ahead. So luckily we had some pushback, a few residents, and we were, you know, I'm very compassionate and compassionate to a fault. but also I work for the landlord. I work for the owner. So the final decision is mine. Although. I'm in one of my particular buildings. I have an amazing landlord who gives me total autonomy and really listens to me. so we try to finesse and communicate. luckily we had a couple that were trying to posture, but we had, guarantee, like a parent with co co-signers. so, and some of their position was not really, it really didn't work, you know, we're compassionate, but w they were coming up with excuses. We tried to communicate work some point with one of them. We said, that's fine. We'll just deal directly with your co-signer because frankly, you wouldn't have gotten in this building without the co-signer because you don't, you know, you didn't qualify. But your father makes three, 4,000, a hundred thousand dollars a year. So he calls signed.

Steve Wallace:

Yeah. I used to wonder, like in Florida, the governor just extended the eviction moratorium until September 1st in New Jersey. Are you under a moratory as well?

Peter Haber:

We have been under that moratorium for quite a while. And we get updates from the, my landlord has their own attorney and we keep getting updates. I think it's right now, I think they're getting ready to reopen so people bought themselves some time. It's five months almost. That's a long time, but the day, you know, and you know, what's also interesting too. The perception of tenants is that landlords has so much money and they just, and in one particular case, I have a 28 unit, a rental property I manage, and this is a building that's owned by two brothers now, but it's been in the FA their family for generations. So these guys are not investors, they're not rolling in money. And it was something that was inherent. So, you know, they're comfortable, but they're not like mega developers and, real estate owners So the perception out there is you gotta, you gotta deal with people. Yeah. You got to try to pick up where they're coming from and you got to find their angle and then.

Steve Wallace:

A lot of small investors also, you know, buy these properties with leverage and listen, if a tenant doesn't pay your rent, then where's the money coming to pay the mortgage. Other than out of the pockets. And a lot of lenders are not extending a forbearance agreements if it's an investment property. So you have to look at it from both angles and smaller investors are really getting hurt. Also. It's not just, it's a domino effect.

Peter Haber:

Absolutely. my landlord, the last three months ago, he had, an $85,000 tax bill coming to wow. I mean, really it doesn't stop. And if the roof starts leaking and there's damage or something, you know, where the boiler goes down or. there's a lot of maintenance and, expenses to maintain these properties.

Steve Wallace:

So let's now kind of transition into some juicy stories that you have in the world. We'll turn back the curtain behind the property managers. So I'm going to ask the first question, right? I'm going to ask the first question then. Selena and I are going to alternate. So my first question is, have you ever found a dead body in any of the units that you manage and need repair is yes. Could you elaborate a bit? Okay.

Peter Haber:

all kidding aside. Listen, I've seen some very upsetting things too. I mean, you manage communities for a long time. I've I never witnessed, but I was involved where there was a suicide. a murder suicide. I was involved with another, a gentleman and a younger teenager. Gentlemen brought the kid back to his apartment, ended up getting bludgeoned, but on a liner on a lighter note. And I'm just gonna tell it real quick. And it was what it was. So I had a rental property in the Western part of New Jersey, and one of the neighbors started complaining. There was a smell in the building and blah, blah, blah. so we knocked on the person's door. We kind of located where it was and the, the, it was a woman unfortunate. She had passed away in her bed. So, gosh, unfortunately they didn't find her for a couple of days, so whatever. I'm not a coroner and I'm not going to get into the details of one of your innovative property management solutions. No, it's certainly not. She was so heavy, this woman, that in order to get her out of the building, they had to take the window of her bedroom out and Selena you're holding on. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Had to bring in a forklift and they literally put the forklift through the window, scooped her up, lifted it and sucker. To wherever she had to go. Oh my gosh. But think about it. You know, I've had portfolios before where I'm managing over a thousand. I was in units. Okay. And the makeup of communities is a melting pot, young, old, this that it's going to happen. You're going to find if you've been, if you've managed enough units, you'll find a dead body or two. Absolutely. You know, absolutely. Yeah, awful. It's yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, you go into conditions sometimes where people are just their hygiene and they bring bed bugs into the property.

Celena Muzic:

That was gonna be my next question. Have you dealt with any hoarders? Cause I've been watching that. Show. And I'm just like, I can't believe people live like this. Have you dealt with anyone that you've gone into the property and they're absolute hoarders?

Peter Haber:

Absolutely. A thousand percent. And it's almost when you go in there, you know, at one, and these can be some of the most, well kept looking people, professionals, and you never know what goes on behind closed doors and you walk into this bill property or an apartment, and it's like, wow. It's just, wow.

Steve Wallace:

what is the craziest thing you've seen hoarded? What a collection of blank.

Peter Haber:

You know what it is. I don't know if I can answer that, Steve, you know what it is, it's more the volume. Okay. I don't know if I ever saw one particular item that was like,

Steve Wallace:

Oh wow, no Mickey mantle, rookie cards or anything. Sporting Barbie dolls.

Peter Haber:

You know what? They're probably in there, but they're probably buried somewhere. Yeah. But it's actually, it literally, it becomes a fire code issue where it's actually not safer the resident, as well as God forbid, there's a fire or for the fire department. Cause these people who hoard, they block access exits what they are hoarding. So if you have to get out on an, fire escape, Or the police or the fire department has to come in. The fire department will look for the path of least resistance, you know, And not there to like, you know, move your stuff from her Mickey mantle card or in Barbie doll. Yeah. So it's really what blows me away is the sheer volume of stuff stacked. So high out into the rooms. It's really, but it's actually at the end of the day, it's sad in a way.

Celena Muzic:

Well, yeah, it's a mental disorder. It's a mental just, yes, it is

Steve Wallace:

So Selena and I are going to ask you each one more question about some property management association, war stories. Then we're going to delve into a little bit of pop culture, and then Selena is going to finish us off with the lightning round. Okay. You've seen some of our other episodes of our lightning round. So my question is being that you're in New Jersey. Have you ever had any business dealings with LA Cosa? Nostra. Oh, Oh yeah. I absolute James gal defini or, you know, Robertson, Chino. Now you're talking Kosta knows too, like the real deal, right? The real deal. Yeah.

Peter Haber:

Listen, I'm not affiliated or associated with any of that stuff, but yes, in my travels I have met and I know. Quite a few of those people. Yeah. Have you ever had Sunday gravy with any of them? all only I have gravy with the macaroni macaroni, and I usually take a bite of, for nuke in between, after they've put out the five or 10 courses, the last course, if it comes out is always what the salad. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yes. I've had them gravy. I've had dropped the gun, but keep the canola is right, Peter. Absolutely. So I get you. Okay.

Celena Muzic:

Okay. Here's my question. What is your biggest complaint when it comes to dealing with millennials? Cause they were buying properties a lot of times they don't know how to manage them or they hire a management company or, you know,

Peter Haber:

so I'm going to answer that. It's a great question. Now you talking about ownership or rental? Oh, all right. Well, listen, here's what I find when millennials, buy into HOA communities. A lot of people, they don't understand. They buy a condominium, they buy a home in an HOA. They don't really understand what they're getting into. you're not in a freestanding, single family house on an acre or a property where you could make noise and do this and do that. And, you know, you can put your garbage cans wherever you want, and nobody bothers you. You, there are restrictions and, you know, there, there were rules and regulations. And again, I find that a lot of people in general and, you know, millennials. As well as just, you know, baby boomers, they buy into these communities, the attorneys, the closing attorneys. They don't take the time to explain to them what they're getting into. They don't look at the rules and regulations of the communities and by the time they've closed and they're in, that's too late and they get select, you know, they play. Selectively. Oh, I didn't know that, or I didn't realize, but you know, some of the communities can have really firm rules. Like, you can't put your garbage, they don't want to see your garbage cans in the front. You got to either put them in the back or on the corner. pets is also another thing where I didn't know, I couldn't have my dog in this unit. Right. Yeah. Right. Okay. You know, so either your community is pet friendly or it isn't, you know, but people, they don't take the time to do the due diligence prior to closing or buying something on the rental side. And remember what the HOA is. I'm not necessarily responsible for inside their unit. Okay. Whereas with the rentals, I'm responsible for everything that breaks. the neighbor upstairs there, I heard their kid bouncing a ball. well it's three in the afternoon. That's what kids do. the, smoke detectors or beeping. I need you here now. The noise is just, it's giving me anxiety, that, getting on a step stool and just popping out the battery until I get there. I find with the millennials and that. In a rental community it's immediate, immediate demanding, immediate gratification.

Celena Muzic:

Yep. That describes millennials and immediate gratification.

Peter Haber:

Immediate gratification. They don't want to know it. They don't want to hear about it. They just want it done and handled. Yeah. Okay.

Steve Wallace:

So now here, here's the, here's a seminal question. So I I'm sure you've seen the, the documentary, the last dance, which was on ESPN, documenting the Chicago. So one of a very common debate that we have on our podcast is who's the go LeBron or MJ and why.

Peter Haber:

That's the only two. so if you want to add it, if you want to add somebody else, make a case for somebody else. No, I tell ya, I see this on Facebook all the time, and I tell you something it's so interesting to me because you know, a lot of these players played in different areas in different times. I'm going to answer the question then. Can I elaborate for a second? Absolutely. Okay. So my answer is MJ. Okay. And elaborate please. I just, his competitive fire. His sheer independence is take no prisoners. from what I know, and I've heard through the grapevine, yours will rip your heart out. take no prisoners, when it came to basketball and being on the court. A real, not nice guy on the court. And, his, his, his passion, his passion. I mean, one of them, I mean, without one game, Steve, when he had the flow in the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, really? and, I don't know, but his time was different. If you, to the point of that documentary, look how physical the game was back then. Yeah. They don't have hand checks anymore. You can't, do that anymore. I mean, bill and would have been fouled out of a game in about seven minutes in the first order, Dennis Rodman, when he was with the pistons, that pistons team was a nasty team.

Steve Wallace:

Yeah, I remember that was when I was in high school. Okay. What question would you like to ask?

Celena Muzic:

Well, I want to know, are you at all a, I know you guys love. Basketball. What about what, what are your feelings on the NFL, especially right now, going back to playing with COVID

Peter Haber:

it's again, great question. I cannot, first of all, I do not believe for one minute that this season is going to go. I don't see it. I don't see it. Okay. Look, I don't know if you've seen over the last week or so. saline. What's going on in baseball. Yeah. I don't know, like the Phillies of Vermont, they just lost it. If

Steve Wallace:

the Marlins lost 12 players in it. And here's the scoop, the inside scoop is that they were visiting one of Atlanta's finer establishments and that's how they caught him. They all caught the covert. So, and that's what I thought I, that was my exact thought is like, Atlanta's notorious for some of those establishments and my thought is keep, how can they. Survive. If they're not in a bubble because listen, people, people are people and you have to assume the worst with people, especially young athletes in their twenties and thirties. So keeping having them not, in some type of bubble or under control going from city to city, it's just, it's just a recipe for disaster. Yeah.

Peter Haber:

But look and then take football. You're on top of each other, you're holding, you're hugging, you're gripping you're you know, other than that, Face mask covering your mouth. You're face to face nose to nose. I mean, think, Celina, think of the concept of when a football team goes into a huddle.

Celena Muzic:

Oh yeah. Like COVID spreading right there.

Peter Haber:

Right? Okay. I know the Mets and Phillies canceled a few, one or two games this week. They couldn't flew, but going back to football, I can't, I don't see it even. I don't see the season happening. I just don't.

Steve Wallace:

Gosh. Okay. So we're going to ask you one more question each and then we're going to go to the lightning round. So during, the pandemic, what show or shows have you been bins watching? and why,

Peter Haber:

who would it have meant? That's a funny show because I need the levity. I can't, I can't deal with the negativity out there. I can't deal with the divide. I can't deal with the unrest. You know, I'm a very old school person. I love people in general. I'm always judging people on a, my vibe, my feeling. My perception and the content of their heart. Okay. The exterior of a human being sexual preference, religious background means nothing to me. Never has never did, and never will say I'm the same way. And I feel like I learned a lot from my friends and people around me that are from different cultures and I learned about not just their culture food. And, and to your point, you know, I am such a more educated cultured person. And on a personal note, I'm fascinated to meet people from other walks of life.

Steve Wallace:

That's why I love living in South Florida, because we really have people from all over the world that lives here. I grew up in Syracuse and you're aware it's a very homogeneous type of area. And so for me, this is the best ever. I get food from all over the world. I get to meet people from all over cool people, different, you know, we, we have different things, different costumes and everything, and I love it

Celena Muzic:

well, what advice would you give. Because you've been in real estate already. You've been on that yeah. Side of selling. What is it? Nice. Would you give realtors right now during the, this situation? Because the market is okay right now, but is it going to stay. You know, healthy. Is it going to crash or is everyone's property going to go into foreclosure? I'm writing this down. Peter.

Peter Haber:

Listen, I don't think I can speak so much for Florida, but let me tell you what's happening in the state of New Jersey. You want to know. Okay, who is everything? Yeah, here you go. What's happening. Read the Coronas of the pandemic and all the unrest that's going on in New York. There has been a mass exit us. Of people moving out of New York city and coming into the suburbs. Okay. And when I tell you they're coming in droves, they're coming to New Jersey, they're coming to Connecticut. People want out of the city, they want. And so what's happening is, is that the market right now, Selena is in New Jersey is off the charts. my wife, who's a real estate agent. she does it full time for two years. She's had a series of, deals lately where two weeks ago, three weeks ago, we did an open house. We had 35 showings. We had, multiple offers and it, the bottom line is it sold for $17,000 over asking same price. Wow. Wow. People want out of New York, they want to set up a home. They want to renovate their home. They want to put amenities in their home because I think what's happening is people are. People's homes now are really going to be their vacation shouldn't resort, their salvation, their place to decompress. Yeah, their fortress, the fortress. Yeah, and they just want to make, and they want to make it as warm and toasty as they can. Do, you know, I was talking to somebody recently this week, if you want to put an in ground swimming pool in New Jersey now in my area where we live, the weight is two years. Whoa. The put in, in totally cool. I'm shifting industries and moving to New Jersey. We all said the same, right? Saline. I'm assuming, are you, where are you from originally from New York city, actually Manhattan. Oh, interesting. Cool. but anyway, so that's, what's happening in our market here. They're coming out in droves, they're building their fortresses. They're putting in their swimming pools, their tennis courts, and they don't want to leave their homes.

Celena Muzic:

Okay. So I'm going to ask you of questions and you're going to answer them very quickly. No thought no explanation needed. Okay. So it's either this or that. Okay. So first question, Batman or Robin Batman, Jennifer Anniston, or Angelina Jolie. Oh, Jennifer Anniston. Okay. Don't know if you watched game of Thrones. I'm hoping you did. Okay. No. Okay. I was going to say John Snow or denarius tar Gary. If I'm embarrassed to say, I don't even know who they are. I don't watch game of Thrones either. I tried one I've tried to season and I was so frustrated. I couldn't do it. You, you and I are the only two in America and the world, probably that don't, that don't watch game of Thrones. Let me ask you a question that you were involved in Harry Potter at all. Did you ever get into, I liked those. I liked the books. Never read a hiree Potter book. Never went to a Harry Potter movie. I don't know. The last movie I think I saw was jaws one. Oh, wow. Kidding. Let's do this lightning round it ran. Okay. Okay. Comic books or. Comic movies, comic movies. Okay. well last question. Basketball or football, basketball.

Steve Wallace:

This was a great episode. Thank you so much, Peter. Can you tell everybody how our listeners can find you? And third I consulting and then if you could just give another, you have a, you have one other business, you can also give a plug for it.

Peter Haber:

Oh, okay. So if people, you can hire me, as a consultant or full time and Steve just real quick, All my contracts that I signed, for management or consulting at any point, I don't hold clients hostage. If for some reason you're not happy with my services. It's very clear in the, in the termination clause. If you're not happy with me, I'm not holding you hostage. So, yeah, it's a 30 day written notice. Excellent. From the first of any given month, as long as all the bills are paid up, I returned the files to you, hand you the keys and we move on and we'll hopefully we stay friends. but the best way to reach me is, you can go to my website, which is www dot third eye consulting. Spelled out llc.com or you can email me at Peter at third eye consulting, llc.com. Okay. Great. And then do you have one other business? We understand if you want to plug that as well. Yeah, I understand you had a nice chit chat with my buddy and partner. mr. Tony Bruin from the red collection. We did. I saw that it was so interesting. It was, it was such an, I was riveted you guys. Well, you guys are great interviewers to begin with. You're so chill and you just not had a move things nicely, and your questions are fun and you guys were great. Tony did great. So, Tony and I, started this little apparel company. It's a very, it's a feel good kind of thing. We're trying to send a message through basketball about community. Community. It's all about the kids, the children, and, and, you know, and that's what it is. And, we, we got to take care of our kids. we got to take care of our families and our communities, and we're trying to do it, through a basketball type of vibe message. And that's not, I don't, if you're interested in looking at the web, we are absolutely interested. Tell our listeners it's a red collection, one word.net. Okay. Great. Thank you so much, Peter. And you know, we'd love to have you on, you know, in a couple of months and you can give us an update on that white, hot New Jersey market. And we can also talk about basketball and maybe I want to take a look at game of Thrones because Selena loves it so much. You have to sound good. Do they make a cliff notes? So I can just, you can probably go online and you can get a cliff notes and then you'll, you'll be ready to answer for these. Okay. I'm sorry. Selena. Why don't you and Steven, one of you and I do like a little study group. Okay. We can do that. There's more there's dragons. There's snow. Come on. Oh God, you guys are the best. I will. Be on your show whenever you want. pleasure to meet you guys and, be safe and have a great weekend. Thank you. Thank you. We'll talk soon.